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  1. Default Whey protein VS EAA's - Whey Wins.

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    WHEY PROTEIN IS MORE ANABOLIC THAN ESSENTIAL Amino Acids!


    For the past year, researchers have been going back and forth debating which was more anabolic…whey protein or essential Amino Acids (EAAs). A few months ago, it seemed that EAA was the winner; in a previous study, researchers administered either 15 grams of whey protein or 15 grams of EAA to elderly participants. They found that ingestion of 15 grams of EAA more than doubles muscle protein balance in elderly persons when compared to that of the ingestion of 15 grams of whey, which would support a greater importance of the EAA (as opposed to whey) in improving muscle protein synthesis in elderly persons. EAA seemed like the more anabolic supplement, but the researchers went back and examined the data and found that 15 grams of whey protein contained only 7 grams of EAA! So, the study did not have the exact same EAA mix for whey protein compared to the EAA mix (7 grams of EAA found in whey compared to 15 grams of EAA).


    The same research group went back and administered a dose-to-dose comparison and administered 15 grams of whey, which contains roughly 7 grams of EAA and compared it to an equivalent EAA dose (~6.72 grams of EAA). To the researchers’ surprise, whey protein resulted in greater anabolic effects than EAA when compared dose per dose. The study reported that EAAs are not solely responsible for the anabolic properties of whey protein. The researchers concluded that whey protein (whole consumption) is greater than the sum of its parts (EAA), or effects beyond that of just the amino acid content. So what ingredient in whey protein could be enhancing anabolic actions? It is interesting that the two dosages each had the exact same dosage of leucine, so there was something else in whey protein causing the greater anabolic effect. The researchers hypothesized that the increase in the plasma concentration of the amino acid cysteine from whey protein, which has previously been found to augment muscle protein anabolism, may have enhanced muscle protein synthesis. Whey protein resulted in a greater insulin response than EAA, which also could have augmented the anabolic actions of whey protein. The researchers explained that whey protein is a potent stimulator of Gastric Inhibitory Polypeptide (GIP), also known as the glucose-dependent insulinotropic peptide. It is now believed that the function of GIP is to induce insulin secretion. Relative to that, it is known that whey protein is a strong stimulator of GIP secretagogue, possibly through bioactive peptides present in whey or formed during its digestion, and that the plasma GIP concentration is greater after ingestion of intact protein than a similar amount of protein in the form of free Amino Acids. The researchers also commented that whey protein is inexpensive and also has additional health benefits that can’t be found in EAA. For example, cysteine-supported glutathione synthesis is implicated in protection against oxidative stress, whereas beta-lactoglobulin and alpha-lactalbumin are major whey proteins modulating immune function. The researchers concluded that the anabolic actions of whey go beyond just EAAs and the whole (whey protein) are greater than the sum of parts (EAA).

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    • On a dose-per-dose base, whey protein was more anabolic than EAA.
    • Whey protein resulted in a greater insulin response than EAA, possibly through increases in GIP.
    • Cysteine found in whey has anabolic actions not found in EAA.
    • Whey has potent immune-stimulating properties not found in EAA.

    ? Christos S. Katsanos, David L. Chinkes, Douglas Paddon-Jones, Xiao-jun Zhang, Asle Aarsland, Robert R. Wolfe. Whey protein ingestion in elderly persons results in greater muscle protein accrual than ingestion of its constituent essential amino acid content. Volume 28, 2008. Pages 651-65.
    Muscular Development Online Magazine - WHEY PROTEIN IS MORE ANABOLIC THAN ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS!
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    Nice find sendos =D
    Much cheaper to cut all of a sudden (;
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    sure is, but you cut? you'll be a bag of bones if you start cutting, shredded already.
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    hahaha no way man im on a one year bulk =D
    Awwwh, i should have named my log that >.<
    Damn, being a mod, can you change it man? (=
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    I'm not a fan of EAA's anyway but elderly patients....
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    Thats the thing, all the studies are done on the elderly. If protein is sufficient then you'll have plenty of AA floating about anyway. The link you've posted on the BCAA roundtable G turned me away from EAA/BCAA.
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    Yeah i know, hardly an apropriate group of subjects for bodybuilding purposes. But I've been seeing quite a few people that have been pimping EAA's and BCAA's over whey PWO using the first study as a basis for their argument.
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    i use both BCAA and protein, although i doubt it makes any differance using BCAA as protein contains AAs anyway. Its only a 6 week cut for me in a year.
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    Elderly or not, it clearly shows that 'whole' protein is superior to fractionated amino acids. Taking that a stage further you could argue that cheese would be better than whey - as even whey is a fractionated product.

    In strength athletes, studies have shown that whole foods builds more muscle than fractionated proteins so synergy wins again. It's just common sense really - the human digestive tract has evolved to process whole foods into amino acids, fatty acids and sugars - doing part of the job for it isn't necessarily going to make the process more efficient.

    Think about using your computer - you 'feed' its input in the form of alpha-numeric data (in plain English grammar) and the computer 'digests' this and converts it into machine code (a series of zeros and ones or binary) in order to action and process those inputs. If you just typed in a bunch of zeros and ones the computer wouldn't know what to do with them because that is not how the OS software was designed ('evolved') to handle user input!

    Having said that, supplements, like whey and even amino acids, have their place in the bigger picture - just don't think of them as a superior or 'magical' form of nutrition and a replacement for real, whole food. They should be simultaneously a compliment to and a substitute for real food on those occasions when eating real food is inconvenient logistically or otherwise unavailable.
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    I am a huge believer in the usefulness of whey over bcaa and eaa, this further proves that in the MAJORITY of cases these aminos are pretty pointless in my opinion.
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