Against Glycogen Repletion...

[hailtotheking]

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[NU_nutrition_TS]

Yes, I've seen this (may have even quoted it somewhere). Nice to see that someone of his 'authority' has stated in print that the protein synthesis seen after the ingestion of protein/amino acids is a 'transitory/short term storage phenomenon', which I've been saying for quite a while, and won't necessarily result in huge muscles unless those muscles have been specifically exercised beforehand to initiate a much longer and muscle specific protein synthesis response.

[Gareth83]

Good to see Alex has taken the plunge so to speak.

One thing I would note, is that if you do remove all PWO carbs rememebr to still make up the calories (from carbs if you wish) in the following 24hrs to make it a fair trial, as opposed to just omittting them.

Good luck

Excellent post again HTTK

[AlexTemper]

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Good to see Alex has taken the plunge so to speak.

One thing I would note, is that if you do remove all PWO carbs rememebr to still make up the calories (from carbs if you wish) in the following 24hrs to make it a fair trial, as opposed to just omittting them.

Good luck

Excellent post again HTTK

I'm having an extra couple of squares of 86% dark chocolate which amounts to around the same. Otherwise a couple of oatcakes with peanut butter.

[Gareth83]

how long after training??

[AlexTemper]

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how long after training??

Way, way after or mid morning.

[Gareth83]

cool

[AlexTemper]

Week 1 completed with no carbs around the workout period and so far, so good. Recovery has been fine as have energy levels for the next day's workout. I've been adding some cardio sessions which will increase a little more and simply been using an Amino mix in water for these.

My gut feeling is that ultimately I may need about 10g carbs Intra Workout once I'm up to full speed with all my sessions in place and I start to increase my VO2 Max to match fitness but we'll see what the next 2 weeks bring on.

[NU_nutrition_TS]

Thanks for the update, Alex...Keep it up!

[Donjman]

Just like to say ive been doing this since i started posting here in this thread, kept cals the same with extra fat to make up, currently on 30g carb a day which i have for breakfast with some whey.

Recovery the same,

Gains - will have to wait and see, hopefully a little more.

So yeah