Beyond Failure Training

[GALTONATOR]

If you want to eductate yourself on beyond failure training do a goole on trevor smith or beyond failure training
on muscle myahem htere is a massive thread on it in the archive just doa search

[hailtotheking]

I think training to failure on my bench press, and then doing assisted reps, was a key factor in me ****ing my rotator cuffs up. I did this when i was on the superdrol a few weeks back to maximise my gains from this substance. It worked in terms of maximising my endurance and growth, but now i cant do barbell bench or shoulder press at all cos my shoulders hurt so bad (kinda good for the time being, as i want to get good with the dumbbell presses). When you are go to the point where you hit failure, your form goes out of the window cos you get v. tired, and for big compound movements this can be damaging and dangerous in the long term because you start using all the wrong structures (i.e tendons and ligaments, after the muscle has failed) to move the weight.

I read recently that training to failure stimulates alot of IGF-1 release, but less testosterone realese than training to the point just before failure. Consistently training to failure will produce alot of cortisol as well (not good).

[GALTONATOR]

Im mearly providing the info for those that are interested. Ive tried it and its good for about a week then i have to back off as my recovery ability is ****!

[simon m]

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Maybe max ot is the way to go heavy weights! I would just like to say from personall experiance training to failure is what i have always done as how else would i know if i can get another rep unless i try and maybe get it but maybe i will fail!

Mate you've hit the nail on the head!

I always have a plan to go to a set number of reps/weight, but on final working set, I'll go to failure, the drop the weight, squeeze out a few more. That way I know I've done all I can to kick start the growth mechanism. As to over tarining, I train Chest/Back on Saturday, Legs on Sunday and Arms on Tuesday.

I don't bother with abs or shoulders as they are being used on most of the other exercises.

[GALTONATOR]

i think youve just to go with whatever works for you! at the end of the day thats whats most important