why do i find it so hard to lose fat?

[ben 21]

nu do you have a copy of your meal plan lying around? i want to know what a typical nu meal looks like.

[NU_nutrition_TS]

@ben 21: I never had a meal plan as such - I just winged it from week to week depending on what I fancied and what was available. The nearest thing to a log or a record would probably be my 'Quest for Carnivory' thread (I think I mention some of the foods/meals I ate - may even be some photos!) but it is now a loooong thread, so you may have to click through a great many pages to find them!

For instance, I currently eat something like a basa or salmon fillet (usually baked) covered in a butter, crème fraiche or sour cream sauce flavoured with a little parsley and dill and wrapped in a cheddar cheese omelette.

Otherwise it is something simple and traditional like bacon, sausage and egg! I sometimes have a gammon steak, covered in a butter and full-fat soft cheese sauce flavoured with garlic and herbs and served with poached eggs and a side serving of liver pate.

[ben 21]

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@ben 21: I never had a meal plan as such - I just winged it from week to week depending on what I fancied and what was available. The nearest thing to a log or a record would probably be my 'Quest for Carnivory' thread (I think I mention some of the foods/meals I ate - may even be some photos!) but it is now a loooong thread, so you may have to click through a great many pages to find them!

For instance, I currently eat something like a basa or salmon fillet (usually baked) covered in a butter, crème fraiche or sour cream sauce flavoured with a little parsley and dill and wrapped in a cheddar cheese omelette.

Otherwise it is something simple and traditional like bacon, sausage and egg! I sometimes have a gammon steak, covered in a butter and full-fat soft cheese sauce flavoured with garlic and herbs and served with poached eggs and a side serving of liver pate.

that all sounds nice actully, espeshilly the fish you know how to cook then lol, i,ll have a flick through that thread momenteraly.

[Deek]

no not at all, i took ages to get like i looked int those pics and i have never had any abs at all, i want to get back to what i looked like then as i have put on fat and find it hard, i dont want to be some super ripped guy guy i dont think im FAT i just want to get rid of the fat that i struggle with thats all.

i certainly dont need counceling and im not going to make my self ill i dont want to be thin just tone up a bit and i came here after advise on what do eat to achive that not to be told i need counceling for wanting to lose a bit of un wanted fat that i have gained.

[James]

You look superb mate, have a read of my article (linked in my sig), might prove somewhat helpful for a few questions you may have.

[Deek]

ill take a look mate the training log or the transformation? ill prob end up having a look at both when i get a min

[Billv0]

Don't be defensive Nu was being sincere not facetious.

Going on a deficit is catabolic no matter what you do you will always lose muscle mass. A protein rich diet is muscle sparing but all it does is slow the process down it does not eliminate it and you can't expect to keep your strength up on a high protein diet as its a poor energy source. Just observation but are you holding your tummy in those pics?

[Deek]

no im just standing up not tensing, not that it would look any different as i dont have abs, that u can see any way never have and prob never will.

and i some what understand what your saying and that is why im here asking for advice as i dont know how best to eat, i know i will lose some muscle but want to lose as little as i can, i have been eating lots of protein on the advice of people in my gym which i now realise is bad so i just want to now how best to eat to shed some fat with out completley wasting away??

[NU_nutrition_TS]

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i certainly dont need counceling and im not going to make my self ill i dont want to be thin just tone up a bit and i came here after advise on what do eat to achive that not to be told i need counceling for wanting to lose a bit of un wanted fat that i have gained.

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Don't be defensive Nu was being sincere not facetious.

As Billy0 said, I was not being offensive or insulting.

We have had similar situations on the forum in the past where someone was asking advice about getting into better shape, losing excess fat and worried that they might put too much on. Then several pages of advice in, it has become apparent the person has an eating disorder or poor body image and the advice that was given - in good faith - has made them even more paranoid.

I just wanted to be sure there was no chance of inadvertently causing more harm.

I've already given some general advice - echoed by Billy0, above - and while I could give more specifics, I'll let some others chip in for a change! All I'll say for now - as you have just confirmed yourself - more dietary protein than is often recommended by mainstream nutrition will help with lean tissue retention to a degree and also help stave off hunger when cutting calories. However, it is not advisable to take this to extremes and make protein the biggest percentage of your total daily intake - it's unnecessarily expensive and a good portion of it may end up as glucose anyway. The only other thing I will add (repeat from an earlier post) is possibly get more dietary fat than you currently do and, perhaps, cut back on carbs a little (less fruit).

[Deek]

ok so cut the fruit to maybe one peice a day? say one banana in the morning? breakfast i was thinking on training days 5 eggs with cottage cheese scrambled eggs with two peices of toast with butter none traing days poridge with milk semi skimed,
lunch chicken/ tuna salad bit of cheese with small amount of brown rice? dinner after training some form of chicken egg or c tuna based meal with veg? and in between meals a snack of maybe a protein shake, but what else do u think i should have instead of fruit?? does that sound ok? or is there anything you think i shoul have more or less of?

there fat in the eggs buuter cheese not sure if thats enough

i appriciate your help