NU's Quest for Carnivory!

[mxd]

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It's merely a case of 'been there, done that'; not being able to summon the same enthusiasm for it and not wanting to retread old ground.

I'm not really in bad shape for someone of my age and I can do all of the physical things I need or want to do. I don't mind fitness that is functional and can be incorporated into everyday life and everyday activities but I don't really have the patience any more for structured and regimented exercise regimes.

I also no longer believe they are necessarily the best or healthiest way to go about things....though, having said that, I would still recommend resistance training over aerobic or 'cardio' type training any day!

I would love a training session with you buddy, if at any time you have that "urge" come down fitness first! (for free)
You can even cringe at my pwo consumption of cho

[adguig]

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It's merely a case of 'been there, done that'; not being able to summon the same enthusiasm for it and not wanting to retread old ground.

I'm not really in bad shape for someone of my age and I can do all of the physical things I need or want to do. I don't mind fitness that is functional and can be incorporated into everyday life and everyday activities but I don't really have the patience any more for structured and regimented exercise regimes.

I also no longer believe they are necessarily the best or healthiest way to go about things....though, having said that, I would still recommend resistance training over aerobic or 'cardio' type training any day!

I really asked because you seem to be well into your nutrition and the benefits you can get from it, but un-willing to do the training that would greatly magnify these benefits. The bodybuilder lifestyle isn't what I would class as healthy either, but some regular resistance training would surely help your cause, no?

[NU_nutrition_TS]

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I really asked because you seem to be well into your nutrition and the benefits you can get from it, but un-willing to do the training that would greatly magnify these benefits. The bodybuilder lifestyle isn't what I would class as healthy either, but some regular resistance training would surely help your cause, no?

Yes, I agree absolutley. I do try to put some of those (resistance exercise) principles to work in everyday tasks and situations (whether at work, at home or out and about) so that it does not feel like I am just doing exercise for its own sake but also accomplishing something worthwhile or necessary at the same time.

Just a very quick example.

At work I work in a small department that is located on a mezzanine that overlooks the main factory floor. It is reached, from the factory floor, by a flight of steps at either end.

We have large cans of latex delivered on a pallet that is left on the factory floor below. So in order to get these to our department we have to carry them up the steps.

In order to make it more strenuous for myself and to make the transfer quicker and more efficient, I will take six cans - three in each hand (imagine large sized paint cans) - and carry these up the stairs taking two steps at a time...a good workout for thighs and glutes - helps with grip strength too and I can always work my traps at the same time!

When you start incorporating things like this into everyday tasks and movements it can be quite effective and you don't have to do workouts in addition to everything else you have to do throughout the day, every day!

If I have a spare few minutes I might do some push-ups now and again.

Yesterday, I carried a large sack of gravel home from the DIY store (in one hand while carrying a gravel tray and umbrella in the other!). Kept swapping hands 'til I got home.

[simon m]

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Yesterday, I carried a large sack of gravel home from the DIY store (in one hand while carrying a gravel tray and umbrella in the other!). Kept swapping hands 'til I got home.

You mad old fool - get a car!

[CoN]

Just seen this, very interesting indeed, should be good thread

[NU_nutrition_TS]

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You mad old fool - get a car!

I have to admit I was tempted on another occasion when I lugged a concrete parasol base home from another retail outlet that was quite a bit further away from home!

Still the look on salespersons' faces when they ask 'would you like some assistance in loading that item into your car?' and I respond 'No thanks, I don't drive so I'll carry it home' is priceless and worth the masochism!

[NU_nutrition_TS]

As we have been discussing vitamin C in this thread, I thought this tidbit I came across might be of interest.

It is part of a response by Martin W Banschbach, Ph.D (professor of biochemistry at Oklahoma State University's Center for Health Sciences) to a comment by Steve Harris, MD regarding the human inability to synthesize vitamin C due to a genetic mutation, which he raised in a message posted on the sci.med.nutrition newsgroup:

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No it's not new Steve. Two separate gene defects occured, one affecting
lactonase activity and the other affecting L-gulonolactone oxidase
activity. Not everyone died on those long sea voyages (those that didn't
still synthesized vitamin C). In some populations, the nonsynthesizers have
been completely removed from the gene pool (the Sahara nomads for example).

The lactonase defect prevents any vitamin C synthesis at all. The L-
gulonolactone oxidase defect (which is the last enzymatic step in the
vitamin C synthetic pathway) does allow some vitamin C synthesis because
the substrate (L-gulono-gamma-lactone) will spontaneously decompose to 2-
keto-gulono-gamma-lactone in the presence of oxygen (which the L-
gulonolactone oxidase would have used to complete the same kind of reaction
process). The only difference now is the speed (the enzyme oxidase would of
course done it much faster than the spontaneous oxidation process can).

The final step, conversion of 2-keto-gulono-gamma-lactone to L-ascorbic
acid is a spontaneous nonenzymatic conversion process. From reading the
literature the best estimate I have of vitamin C formation in humans that
can still form it is 15-20mg per day in a nonstressed state (no active
infection) with higher amounts possible during infection but I have never
been able to get what the maximum formation could (can) be during severe
stress.

Textbooks are correct in stating that there is no enzymatic synthesis of
vitamin C in humans. Any formation (and it's going to be very small in
comparison to what could have been formed without a defective gene) that
still occurs in humans is all spontaneous nonenzymatic formation. But that
process is enough to prevent scurvy (which only needs 15 mg per day).

If you really start digging into the area of nutrition, you will find many
bits and pieces of information that don't find their way into textbooks.

[hailtotheking]

Wow, thats quite interesting, considering that the RDA for vit C is only about 40mg a day.

[Wotan]

Also consider that meat is (relatively) high in in ALA (more precisely high in the natural, more efficient form - see MP products) which is an antioxidant in itself and a secondary antioxidant inasmuch that it will "re-cycle" used up vitamin C and vitamin E.

The situation is not as bad as some people might think.

[JohnSmooth]

Very interesting research. experimenting on your own diet is the only way to get any real results.

I have lost faith in the news, doctors etc

Best to investigate these things for yourself. Your body will tell you if anything is wrong.