Good idea to stick to just a High-Prot,Carb, Fat Diet?

[Maximumbass88]

Hi,

I've been sticking to a high protein, carbs, fats diet for quite a while now. When bulking I get near enough 5000 cals down my neck on WO days and a little less on non-WO days, if I was to follow a high carb, moderate fat diet it would be quite hard to eat enough food day in day out. I'm wondering if its a good idea to just stick to this type of diet all the time or maybe try something new that has high fats in? So really the big question is, is it optimal to keep doing what I'm doing?

[MeshMan]

Sorry, not quite sure what your diet is. You say high protein, then carbs and fats. Are both carbs and fats also high?

What's your macro split?

[Maximumbass88]

Bulking Estimates: Protein:- 240g+ Carbs: 500g+ Fats: 210g+
I haven't reworked the values in a long time.

[MeshMan]

Oh geeze, looking from your pic, that kind of split is going to make you fat in no time!

Way too many fats in the presence of so much carbs there. Keep fats well away from high carb diets if you don't want to pile on the flab. I really hope the carbs are all quality low GI carbs too!

Why are you eating so many kcals? I really doubt you need that many!

[Maximumbass88]

Lol I don't know what to say. All the times I've posted my diet on here no-ones said that to me. I haven't posted my diet on here in 11 or so months. I have a fast metabolism, on my bulking diet (currently cutting) I gain between 0.5-1lb a week, sometimes a little more but mostly under a pound.

This isn't fully up to date, but its near enough:
To memory on top of what's there I eat another slice of bread and 1 tbl sp oil and eat 150g Oats in meal 1, so that's like another 300 cals.

Typical collage WO day:

0630
3 Scrambled Eggs + tbl sp Olive Oil, 100g Oats + 150ml Whole Milk, Medium Banana
p=36 c=113 f=45

0845
Slice of Wholemeal bread, ¼ tin of tuna & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=19 c=21 f=15

1050
Slice of Wholemeal bread, 25g Chicken & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=18 c=21 f=16

1250
Slice of Wholemeal bread, ¼ tin of tuna & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=19 c=21 f=15

1450
Slice of Wholemeal bread, 25g Chicken & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=18 c=21 f=16

1700 (PreWO meal)
130g Wholegrain Pasta, 50g Nuts, 2 Wholemeal Rolls
p=42 c=145 f=34

1900 Workout

2000 (PostWO meal)
130g Oats + 35g Whey in Water
p=41 c=102 f=9

2130
200g Cottage Cheese, Glass of Whole milk (300ml), 2x tbl sp Oil, Wholemeal Roll
P=46 c=48 f=45

2230 Bed

Totals: p=239g c=492g f=195g
P=956cals C=1968cals f=1755cals
TOTAL: 4679cals


Non-Collage WO Day:

0930
3 Scrambled Eggs + tbl sp Olive Oil, 100g Oats + 150ml Whole Milk, Medium Banana
p=36 c=113 f=45

1200
2 Slices Wholemeal Bread, ½ roll, ½ tin of tuna & mayo, tbl sp Olive Oil, 25g Nuts
p=36 c=49 f=31

1430
2 Slices of Wholemeal Bread, 75g Chicken, tbl sp Olive Oil, 25g Nuts
p=39 c=37 f=30

1700 (PreWO meal)
130g Wholegrain Pasta, 50g Nuts, 2 Wholemeal Rolls
p=42 c=145 f=34

1900 Workout

2000 (PostWO meal)
130g Oats + 35g Whey in Water
p=41 c=102 f=9

2130
200g Cottage Cheese, Glass of Whole milk (300ml), 2x tbl sp Oil, Wholemeal Roll
P=46 c=48 f=45

2230 Bed

Totals: p=240g c=494g f=194g
p=960cal c=1976cals f=1746cals
Total Cals: 4682


Collage & No Gym Day:

0630
3 Scrambled Eggs + tbl sp Olive Oil, 100g Oats + 150ml Whole Milk, Medium Banana
p=36 c=113 f=45

0845
Slice of Wholemeal bread, ¼ tin of tuna & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=19 c=21 f=16

1050
Slice of Wholemeal bread, 25g Chicken & mayo, ½ Roll, 25g Nuts
p=21 c=34 f=17

1250
Slice of Wholemeal bread, ¼ tin of tuna & mayo, ½ Roll, 25g Nuts
p=22 c=34 f=16

1450
Slice of Wholemeal bread, 25g Chicken & mayo, ½ Roll, 25g Nuts
p=21 c=34 f=17

1700
100g Wholegrain Pasta, ½ tin of tuna & mayo, 1x tbl sp Oil
p=31 c=62 f=15

1930
65g Oats + 30g Whey & 150ml Whole milk, 1x tbl sp Oil
p=35 c=54 f=22

2200
200g Cottage Cheese, Glass of Whole milk (300ml), 2x tbl sp Oil, Wholemeal Roll
p=46 c=48 f=45

p=231g c=400g f=193g
p=924cals c=1600cals f=1737cals

Total Cals: 4261


No Collage & No Gym Day:

0930
3 Scrambled Eggs + tbl sp Olive Oil, 100g Oats + 150ml Whole Milk, Medium Banana
p=36 c=113 f=45

1200
100g Wholegrain Pasta, ½ tin of tuna & mayo, 25g Nuts
p=36 c=67 f=15

1430
4x Slices of Wholemeal bread, ½ tin of tuna & mayo 25g Nuts
p=43 c=69 f=21

1700
65g Oats + 30g Whey & 150ml Whole milk, 25g Nuts, 1x tbl sp Oil
p=40 c=59 f=35

1930
75g Chicken & Mayo, 1½ Wholemeal Rolls, 25g Nuts, 1x tbl sp Oil
p=40 c=45 f=26

2200
200g Cottage Cheese, Glass of Whole milk (300ml), 2x tbl sp Oil, Wholemeal Roll
P=46 c=48 f=45

2230 Bed

p=241g c=401g f=187g
P=964cals C=1604cals f=1683cals
Total cals: 4251

[MeshMan]

How long have you been running on this diet?

How is it looking in the mirror with gaining 0.5-1lb a week?

Are you gaining good amounts of muscle compared to fat gain?

[greg]

lots of nuts dude, I eat a fair few nuts perhaps 50g in a whole day all though thats good fats. Thats alot of saturated fat.

Just a handful of nuts is plenty i normally have a handful of walnuts and some unsalted cashews and thats it! that will reduce the fat intake and perhaps change the whole milk of a day time for skimmed or water. Then whole milk before bed perhaps for slower digestion.

protein and carbs! and wheres the fruit and veg.

[Maximumbass88]

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How long have you been running on this diet? I've been using a high fats/carbs diet since early into my training, in the beginning I wasn't eating enough calories & weighing myself at different times each week, I thought I was gaining weight! untill I weighed myself at the same time, same day, after a piss n **** first thing in the morning. I started gaining weight properly late feb last year (been training since sept '06).

How is it looking in the mirror with gaining 0.5-1lb a week? Its been fun and games with weight gain since the new year, was 206lbs, started dropping weight slowly after the new year, gaining weight some weeks, kinda lost motivation to eat for some of it and its been a mixture of not eating enough to supplement training intensity for some of the time. So all in all haven't had a great deal of weight gain since xmas, been sticking around the 200lbs mark, currently at 196lbs(cutting atm). Heres some pic's:
http://forum.myprotein.co.uk/showthread.php?t=15603

Are you gaining good amounts of muscle compared to fat gain? Look at the pictures!

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[NU_nutrition_TS]

How can a diet be high in protein, fat and carbs? Surely that would make them all equal, so neither one would be higher than the other?




I think it is obvious from these pics that you are gaining mostly fat (though you are by no means 'overweight' looking!). Why else would you be cutting? I don't see much actual muscle gain between bulking and cutting phases though.

This illustrates what I say time and time again: high carb diets (irrespective of what relative levels the other macros might be) do not confer any special advantage at gaining lean mass. The more carb calories you consume the more volume of exercise you have to perform to prevent those carbs translating as fat gain and so the less time you spend recovering and growing any lean mass. Just a waste of time and energy IMO and it must be wearing on the body and health, generally, in the long term - like yo-yo dieting!

[Maximumbass88]

What do you suggest I do? (more up to date pics for comparison on page 2)