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    Well, I'm pretty sure this is the right place to post, as this must be diet related.
    I know, ideally I need to see a dentist but I am yet to locate one.

    Anyway, this is a very recent thing, 3-4 weeks. Been having very sore gums, mainly my molar teeth, the one's further back into the mouth, the gums have been really tender and painful. Bleeding when brushing etc. So I kind of wanted any input on what might cause this, taking into consideration the recent changes in my diet etc.

    1 - I've recently moved down south, where the water is hard, limey? I've been drinking the tap water through a filter.
    2 - Added more starch to the diet. Been attempting to bulk up, so have added some oats daily, also some honey to my frozen berries and yogurt.
    3 - Workout days I eat a fair bit of cereal, lately it's been corn flakes, special K, and crunchy nut. Also I eat scotch pancakes too.
    4 - Drink a fair bit of coffee - Mostly decaff.
    5 - In my oats I add some low calorie sucralose based sweetner.

    So what do people think it is. The starch and sugar? Should I just brush after eating?
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    I dont know tooo much about gums and teeth but a friend of mine had these symptons and went to the dentist and was diagnosed with gingivitis.

    It could be a sign of gum disease. I really urge you to go see a dentist.
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    Sugars of most sorts feed pathogenic bacteria. I'd recommend being a little more moderate with your intake of carbs. More importantly take a lot of Vitamin C (at least 5g spaced out across the day). That should help a lot.
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    Musefan would probably be the best person to give advice on this, seeing as he recently qualified as a dentist.
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    Originally Posted by motokouk View Post
    Well, I'm pretty sure this is the right place to post, as this must be diet related.
    I know, ideally I need to see a dentist but I am yet to locate one.

    Anyway, this is a very recent thing, 3-4 weeks. Been having very sore gums, mainly my molar teeth, the one's further back into the mouth, the gums have been really tender and painful. Bleeding when brushing etc. So I kind of wanted any input on what might cause this, taking into consideration the recent changes in my diet etc.

    1 - I've recently moved down south, where the water is hard, limey? I've been drinking the tap water through a filter.
    2 - Added more starch to the diet. Been attempting to bulk up, so have added some oats daily, also some honey to my frozen berries and yogurt.
    3 - Workout days I eat a fair bit of cereal, lately it's been corn flakes, special K, and crunchy nut. Also I eat scotch pancakes too.
    4 - Drink a fair bit of coffee - Mostly decaff.
    5 - In my oats I add some low calorie sucralose based sweetner.

    So what do people think it is. The starch and sugar? Should I just brush after eating?
    Hey motokouk,

    Bleeding on brushing is probably gingivitis (gum inflammation) which is reversible by improved oral hygiene. It can also be due to periodontal disease (destruction to surrounding tooth tissues) which is not reversible but it can be halted.

    From the history I don't think the tooth is involved. Is the tooth tender to touch or certain foods? Is there any pain keeping you awake at night? Is there a bad taste in your mouth?

    Check my thread for oral hygiene advice including diet, cleaning. The best thing is to see a dentist but if you want a rough diagnosis I can try!

    If you give me the history of the complaint and:
    S - site,
    O - onset (gradual/sudden)
    C - character
    R - radiation (where the pain radiates to)
    A - associations (other symptoms)
    T - timing/duration
    E - exacerbating and alleviating factors, S - severity (rate the pain on a scale of 1-10)

    Also I can do a diet anaylsis too if you like. Give me the times of your oral hygiene and times of your eating habits for 1/2 weekdays and 1 weekend.

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    Originally Posted by musefan View Post
    Hey motokouk,

    Bleeding on brushing is probably gingivitis (gum inflammation) which is reversible by improved oral hygiene. It can also be due to periodontal disease (destruction to surrounding tooth tissues) which is not reversible but it can be halted.

    From the history I don't think the tooth is involved. Is the tooth tender to touch or certain foods? Is there any pain keeping you awake at night? Is there a bad taste in your mouth?

    Check my thread for oral hygiene advice including diet, cleaning. The best thing is to see a dentist but if you want a rough diagnosis I can try!

    If you give me the history of the complaint and:
    S - site,
    O - onset (gradual/sudden)
    C - character
    R - radiation (where the pain radiates to)
    A - associations (other symptoms)
    T - timing/duration
    E - exacerbating and alleviating factors, S - severity (rate the pain on a scale of 1-10)

    Also I can do a diet anaylsis too if you like. Give me the times of your oral hygiene and times of your eating habits for 1/2 weekdays and 1 weekend.

    Wow, bit more than I expected!

    History - Erm hard to say, it's come on very recently, I could probably pin it to around the 27th May, when I moved down to my new home. Has been off and on since then. Sometimes I feel asthough it comes back when my toothbrush runs out of charge, and teeth don't get as good a clean as if it were fully charged. Since moving down, haven't been able to find the charger so been doing it manually with the brush.

    S - Around 1st and 2nd molar on each side, top and bottom. Sometimes it's more painful on one side, right now the lower right side is more prominent.
    O - Think it was quite sudden, just turned up. Had a very stressful move, was very under the weather.
    C - Not too sure what you mean - Sharp, stinging
    R - The pain goes further up into the gums, or down on the lower set
    A - None that I know of
    T - More obvious when eating, brushing
    E - Eating and brushing, severity when eating 4, when brushing 6.5

    Diet - I eat twice a day typically, maybe 3 times.
    12pm meal 1
    7pm meal 2
    Sometimes meal 2 might go on until late at night, I'll just pick at things until my calories are tallied up :-)

    Brushing - Due to being self employed I've really let slip, sometimes I won't brush till noon, just before my first meal. I don't brush at night :-( I do brush for a long time when I have my brush charged. I have upped my frequency lately due to the pain.
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    Hi motokouk,

    Sorry its a late reply! Thanks for all the info it will help!

    I think it may possibly be reversible pulpitis with gingivitis.

    Reversible pulpitis
    from your history is shown by (reversible inflammation of the pulp)- the sharp pain, being unable to localise the pain to an exact tooth. This is usually caused by caries (bacterial damage to tooth tissue) which might show appear as a small hole in the tooth visible/not visible to the eye. This may have occured over the time you have moved house where your brushing routine was interrupted. You will need to see a dentist and they will assess whether you need a filling or not and your symtoms will go after this hopefully.

    Gingivitis- explains the bleeding on brushing and sore gums. This is reversible and is fixed by brushing twice a day and using some dental floss. (Brushing technique and advice in my thread somewhere). Your gums will bleed a little but they will stop once they are less inflamed (i.e. healthy).

    Brushing before your first meal is good (some people brush after which is ok too but you have to leave it 45mins if you have had acidic food because your tooth enamel has been weakened) but it is really important to brush last thing before bed. The reason being that saliva flow rates drop during sleep and so food and bacteria are left in the mouth overnight to cause damage to the teeth and gums. Brushing last thing before bed will improve your oral health.

    You should pop down to a dentist and they can assess you properly in person. Sorry for the late reply. Hope it helped.
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