carbs

[MiniHulk]

When the body breaks down and things go wrong, such as ulcerative colitis - which is what I have. The ONLY thing that puts you in remission and gets you on the road to recovery is cutting out starchy carbohydrates... and from what I have learnt, they are the reason for the problem in the first place. It's quite funny how cutting out fat, or other "essential" parts of your diet doesn't aid recovery...

[ATZ]

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I am not talking about carbs specifically for muscle love, I am saying from a pure health perspective then starchy carbs don't need and shouldn't be included. Humans can survive on any diet for a decent amount of time, the human body is pretty damn decent at pulling out the nutrients it needs and shunning the stuff it doesn't. That doesn't mean that those thriving on a starchy diet are benefiting from the excess glucose - not to mention some people being more resilient than others.

But again, animal products, green vegetables.... what's missing? Starchy carbohydrates? Ohh, how can I miss them out, and what will they do for me? Well... they will... um give you energy, just like the green vegetables and ocassional handful of berries but will do crazy things with your insulin. The body can make glucose from other sources. Starchy carbs HELP with bodybuilding, but they are definitely not an essential part of our diet.

Thanks for the lesson, love. If humans are good at adapting on a wide variety of foods, and we have some of the longest living populations in the world surviving on starch based diets, would this not suggest carbs are in fact health promoting? Realise this is me just messing with you, but it does at least show they're not as "harmful" as you're trying to paint out.

And unless I'm missing something, the OP asked about sources of carbs that don't contain gluten. He didn't need to hear the crap you spouted about "all carbs being bad". It was at best unnecessary, and at worst alarmist.

Also, you can quit with your strawman, I never said starchy carbs were essential. But if your goal is to look like you lift weights and you want to sustain high intensity activities such as sports, then they are definiately an advantage.

[ATZ]

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When the body breaks down and things go wrong, such as ulcerative colitis - which is what I have. The ONLY thing that puts you in remission and gets you on the road to recovery is cutting out starchy carbohydrates... and from what I have learnt, they are the reason for the problem in the first place. It's quite funny how cutting out fat, or other "essential" parts of your diet doesn't aid recovery...

That's a specific condiditon, so it's relevance to the general population is zero.

Are you trying to see how many strawmen arguments you can fit into one thread?

[MiniHulk]

No, I am trying to inform people of the dangers of carbs, I feel like I am going round in circles with you lol.

I wasn't just referring to ulcerative colitis, people that have claimed to cure colitis also abstain from complex carbs to do so - and um, diabetes, a condition seldom experienced before the introduction of agriculture.The OP didn't ask for you to get all sarky either - lets just agree to disagree. You got any recent pics on here by the way?

You give people your advice, and I will give them mine. The advice you give may make them bigger faster than me - but you can't "guarantee" the safety of grains and sugars...

... whereas, with my route, I leave them out. Better safe than sorry. Unless you can give other reasons for them to be included in the diet other than packing on mass faster? Health benefits maybe? Get round the leptins and all the anti nutrients first.

[ATZ]

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No, I am trying to inform people of the dangers of carbs, I feel like I am going round in circles with you lol.

Like anything, they're only dangerous in excess. Too much water is bad for you, yet you don't see me ranting about this when people ask what others favourite drink is...

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I wasn't just referring to ulcerative colitis, people that have claimed to cure colitis also abstain from complex carbs to do so - and um, diabetes, a condition seldom experienced before the introduction of agriculture.The OP didn't ask for you to get all sarky either - lets just agree to disagree.

That's great, I still don't see what it has to do with the original questuion.

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You got any recent pics on here by the way?

Ahh, the old ad-homien attack. You can't attack the argument so you go for the person instead. You've lowered yourself to "got any pics bro" argument.

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You give people your advice, and I will give them mine. The advice you give may make them bigger faster than me - but you can't "guarantee" the safety of grains and sugars...

You can't guarantee the safety of fats. We can both play these silly games.

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... whereas, with my route, I leave them out. Better safe than sorry. Unless you can give other reasons for them to be included in the diet other than packing on mass faster? Health benefits maybe? Get round the leptins and all the anti nutrients first.

Some carb sources may well have health benefits, I'm sure I don't need to point this out.

Leptins? What are these substances you speak of? Unless you mean Leptin, the hormone in the human body?

[MiniHulk]

Congrats, you spotted a typo - hard to concentrate today because I had a jacket potato earlier I meant lectins. I wasn't attacking you, I generally wanted to see how you are faring with starch in your diet - you said you were on a huge fast, so I am assuming you are trying to lose bodyfat.

I was quite happy to have a decent debate and put forth my argument in an adult manner... you have anger issues it seems. Let's just leave there. I am sorry for upsetting you.

[ATZ]

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Congrats, you spotted a typo - hard to concentrate today because I had a jacket potato earlier I meant lectins. I wasn't attacking you, I generally wanted to see how you are faring with starch in your diet - you said you were on a huge fast, so I am assuming you are trying to lose bodyfat.

I was quite happy to have a decent debate and put forth my argument in an adult manner... you have anger issues it seems. Let's just leave there. I am sorry for upsetting you.

I fair fine with starch in my diet, it helps me train intensely and recover from sessions, and add muscle. Never felt in better health - I fast for 16hrs ish most days as I follow the leangains protocol, I just find it easier than normal eating patters, presume you're familiar?

Anyway, the op never asked for a debate, or my life story; he asked what non glutenous carb sources he could use and you waded in with a tirade of anti carb dogma. Bravo.

I don't have anger issues, I have anti-bullsh*t issues.

[Wotan]

Ok ATZ hopefully you will read this post.

1. Cut out the aggressive tones.

2. Cut out the use of weasel words - you are trying to hold a rational discussion.

3. The points are for a month - when/if you come back there will be no arguing, ok. If you start any nonsense there will be a ban for life.

Cool off!

[ATZ]

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Ok ATZ hopefully you will read this post.

1. Cut out the aggressive tones.

2. Cut out the use of weasel words - you are trying to hold a rational discussion.

3. The points are for a month - when/if you come back there will be no arguing, ok. If you start any nonsense there will be a ban for life.

Cool off!

I'm not arguing for the sake of it, it's not me who's taken the thread off topic.

As usual, a pretty standard response from yourself, you've always had issues with me as my posts don't conform to your point of view.

Don't worry, I won't be back.

[Wotan]

Oh good, saves me dishing out the infractions until you hit the jackpot. Goodbye.