1. Welcome to the Myprotein Community & Forums forums.

    You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 22
Like Tree4Likes

Thread: Powerlifting explained (bands\boards\speed) & more...

  1. Default Powerlifting explained (bands\boards\speed) & more...

    #1
    Bounced

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Coliseum gym B'ham!
    Age
    23
    Posts
    1,558
    Hi, writing this to help anybody wishing to get into powerlifting, generally interested in powerlifting, or for anybody that reads my log and doesn't understand the terminology etc. I have tried to explain the best I can and have linked a fair few of my videos to show you, also some others off youtube.co.uk and off 2 good friends of mine.

    Hope you enjoy....

    Bands [regular set up]

    Using regular set up for bands on squat, you slip knot the band around the bottom of the power rack and stretching the band up to the loaded barbell and looping it over. It is done the same for the bench press also. This basically makes the weight on the barbell more at the top and less in the hole. So using 140kg on the bar + blue bands would mean when you walk it out it or un rack it on the bench , it would be 165kg, and in the hole/chest it would be close to 140kg, possibly 145kgish. This forces you to explode out of the hole/off the chest really fast, otherwise as the band stretches you will fail the lift.
    When you then go back to normal lifts without bands, you find you are a lot more explosive in that area and thus stronger.

    Here is a video of my training partner Dan Hillman using bands on the bench:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMKt3TSliDY


    Bands: [reverse style]

    For deadlift and bench press you can use reverse style bands. This is where the bands are looped over the top of a power rack and stretched down to the bar. This in effect makes the feeling similar to normal style, except you don't have the band pulling you down. So for example 140kg on the bar for a bench press with black bands in reverse style. This would make the weight at lockout 140kg, and on the chest, depending height of power rack around 70-80kg. So you could really blast this weight off your chest hopefully getting enough speed and power behind the bar to power it through the harder part as it becomes heavier. This technique is especially good for shirted bench assistance as the shirt will make it feel lighter to a degree when on your chest, although your joints still feel the full weight.
    For deadlift an example would be 300kg on the floor with black bands in reverse style. This means on the floor it is 300-75kgish, so 225, you get the speed off the floor to drive it all the way until it is 300kg at lockout...

    The idea behind reverse style bands is that you get super fast off the floor/off the chest so that you can drive these big ass weights until lockout.


    The resistance for bands is as follows:
    pink -15-20kg
    blue -25-30kg
    green 40-55kg
    black 60-75kg

    Chains:

    Chains are a little older invention than bands but still do similar. They are a group of chains on the floor and then looped onto the barbell, when you are at full extension they are almost off the floor or even totally, then when you lower the weight [in to hole for squat or onto chest for bench] they sit on the floor, so in effect you have to drive really fast to be able to lock them out as more links come off the floor making the barbell heavier.

    Me using chains, the one and ONLY time lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4Di7cacLg


    Boards:

    Boards are used on the bench press only. They are usually 1.5 inches thick although can vary, the ones I use are quite thick maybe near 2 inches. Most common set ups are 1,2,3,4 & sometimes 5 board presses. As you can imagine it shortens the ROM and thus engaging pretty much only the triceps, and lats for bringing it down.
    This is used to strengthen the part of the lift that matters most in a bench shirt. As the bench shirt helps you off your chest [providing your fast enough] all you have left to do is lock this weight out, so depending how fast you are it can be from a 1 board level up wards, or even a 4 board level, just depends where you stick. So by working all 5 levels now and again you become strong at any part. I am currently working on 4-5 board presses, this way I can handle really big weights and get my wrists and joints used to holding this kind of weight!

    Video of me using a 2 board whilst wearing my shirt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9W-r60ctMU

    Dynamic Effort [DE] work:

    Often reffered to as 'speed work' it is a high number of sets done with minimal reps [usually 1-3] and with very short rest times. Here you work specifically on speed.
    A common scheme used is that from Westside :

    week 1 50% of 1rm 12 sets of 3
    week 2 55% of 1rm 10 sets of 2
    week 3 60% of 1rm 8 sets of 1

    Then back to week 1, your muscles get used to speed very quickly so the idea is that to keep changing it will get you faster and faster. Rest time here is normally 30 seconds. Although I like to sometimes use shorter than that.


    The Squat:


    Form

    As we are talking powerlifting we will assume you will take a wide stance. If you want to squat big weights you must work on your form as much as you can. It has taken me a year from when I first changed it, following James Copping's style. I find pointing toes out quite far is really good at keep your knees at the same distance throughout the movement. Bar placement should be low, on your rear delts with your traps above it. May feel awkard at first though, and a wide grip will stop any elbow pain you may get.
    Keeping your knees directly above you feet without letting them push forward is the key. This is done by shoving your ass back more whilst still maintaining your back roundness and tightness with your head up. Always take a deep breath at the top of each rep, then descend holding this breath only letting out on the way up. This keeps your core nice and tight for big weights and stability. Squat down nice and slowly with control until you break parallel, try to put most of your weight onto your heals, then fire up as fast as possible making sure your knees are maintaining position the whole time.

    To summarize: bar on rear delts, toes out, drive through heals,knees above feet with shins vertical, deep breath nice and tight, head up with back arched, break // then DRIVE.

    Here is a video of my form, although a bit blurry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepwMiYv-O8

    Here is a video of excellent form by James Copping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Sty1nI9dg
    Last edited by myprotein.com; 03-08-2008 at 08:20 PM.
    JFLStrongman likes this.
    Training for the BPC British Championships as a junior 90kg...2009 goal: outlift Jason lol

    Code MP34234 for 5% off your 1st order!! Use it NOW!
  2.  
    #2
    Bounced

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Coliseum gym B'ham!
    Age
    23
    Posts
    1,558
    Explosiveness & speed

    To build strength in any of the 3 lifts, speed needs to be practices regularly.

    Building speed on the squat can be done in a few different ways. First of all the hardest and slowest part of the squat is when you are in the hole and you decide to fire up. The main 3 ways of building speed out of hole are bands, box squats/pin squats & Dynamic effort [DE] squats.

    As I have explained about bands already we will go onto box squats.

    Box squats

    Box squats are basically a squat down to a box at a certain level/depth, relax you hip flexors for a second, then explode up. The hole is the slowest/hardest part of the lift, so by stopping and relaxing your hips in that part of the lift you are making it a lot harder to drive up. You can also use Pin Squats, this is similar except you squat down in the rack until the bar rests on the pins, wait a second then explode up. Only difference being you do not relax your hips on those as obviously you are still holding the full amount of weight.
    For box squats you can sit really far back, as you do not have to worry about falling over because the box is there. So they are an excellent form builder, you can watch your shins and make sure they stay upright as well. A lot of people do parellel box squats although I think it is best to use your usual depth or even deeper. This builds speed from the place you need it most.

    A video of some good form box squats:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kkAMRZO0rw

    I have explained about Dynamic Effort [DE] already so all you do is use that technique with the squat. Many prefer to use box squats for their DE squats. As you kill 2 birds with one stone in effect.

    Assistance:

    Squat assistance is found in the form of hamstring work, glute/hip work, quad work, ab work & some calves.

    Hamstring & glute/hip work is the most important as the powerlifting squat relies on the hips and hamstrings a lot. Hamstring assistance usually involves straight legged deadlifts, glute - ham raises, leg curls or extra wide box/regular squats. I choose one and cycle them, I am currently using glute ham raises, and also some extra wide box squats, although they are to help my form as well. Quad work is normally close stance ATG squats, leg press full ROM or leg extensions.
    Abs can be anything, I like kneeling cable curls. Calves also doesn't really matter, seated calve raise etc.


    The Bench press:

    Form

    First of all with the powerlifting bench press you want the shortest ROM possible. So you want to be holding the bar quite wide, the widest allowed in competition is fore fingers on the rings on an Olympic bar. Second you want to arch your back, this makes it even shorter. Bringing the back of your neck closer to your ass means your back lifts and arches more and more, make sure it is comfortable though. You also want to put your feet in a good place, usually kicked back to keep your arch in place works well. Some federations ask for flat feet, so just get your arch set then flatten them out. Stick your chest right out and squeeze your shoulder blades together along with your traps, this makes you very stable and tight.
    Take the bar off the rack, now if you were to lower straight down body builder style, you would be touching just below your pecs. So lower it about 1-2 inches below that, at the same time tucking your elbows right in. That is the key, to keep elbows right in as much as you can, this recruits more triceps and make it a lot stronger.
    Wrists, keep the bar on the lower part of your palms, and always grip the bar full, no thumb-less grip! This makes your wrist stay in-line with your forearms witch is safer for your wrists and a lot stronger when done properly.
    When you have lowered the bar to your upper abs/ lower chest pause for a brief second then explode back up to the starting position.
    1 last tip to push heavy weights is to lower the weight with your lats, yes your lats! As you are lowering the bar really tuck those elbows in and concentrate on your lats taking the weight. This is why lat assistance is so important! Also saves your triceps for the pressing part!

    So to summarize: plant feet nice and secure, arch back, squeeze traps/shoulder blades together stick chest out. Wide grip, lower with lats keeping elbows tucked right IN. Pause, then DRIVE!

    A video of excellent form: http://uk.youtube.com/user/powerm500

    Here is a video of my form in a shirt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKOwbO1f8tA

    Speed/explosiveness

    For speed on the bench, you can use bands, DE work, chains & reverse bands.

    DE work combined with bands I find works very well. Heavy reverse style bands is good for heavy days. I do not use chains.


    Grip

    Varying your grip on the bench can help a lot! For example on heavy days going 1 finger in from competition grip, and on speed days 3 fingers in. Then 4 weeks later changing that around can be very good. Some people do not train with their competition grip ever only on the day itself. Although I prefer to use it int he gym a fair bit.


    Assistance

    For bench press I would say there is 3 major things that need training specifically for the bench press. Lats, triceps & chest. For lats using a similar movement to the bench works well, so any variation of bent over row/ yates row followed by some heavy pull ups or pull downs. I do 3 for upper back, usually a bent over row variation, wide grip pull ups for some lat width and finally a close grip movement for lower lats. For triceps I think heavy board presses are good, so taking it that we use the heavy board presses for the triceps we don't really need to do much more on them that day. So we come to chest, heavy db presses work well or possibly flyes. I prefer db presses, I cycle them do flat db press for 3 weeks, incline for 3 weeks and work it like that working up to a pb on the 3rd week.
    Some light shoulder work is included but is not vital, I choose side lateral raises as they make you look good as well as make your shoulders strong.
    JFLStrongman likes this.
    Training for the BPC British Championships as a junior 90kg...2009 goal: outlift Jason lol

    Code MP34234 for 5% off your 1st order!! Use it NOW!
  3.  
    #3
    Bounced

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Coliseum gym B'ham!
    Age
    23
    Posts
    1,558
    The Deadlift

    Form:

    I will give tips on good form for conventional deadlifting only.
    Get nice and tight before you pull, this way you don't jolt it off the floor and you avoid injury. Also you get better spring. Try driving it back, so as you pull it off the floor drive the bar up your legs trying to pull it backwards. Hard to describe but thats the only way I can see it said lol. Sit back into it as well before you drive it off the floor, this sets your back up nice and straight ready to be strong.
    Always keep your head up this keeps your back nice and tightly arched. If you feel it stopping don't bend your legs and hitch it like many do, try to keep your legs straight and use your hammies to drive it out.

    Video of good technique: [me again @ the welsh April 2008 lol]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHjntf9O84

    Assistance:

    Deadlift assistance blends into squat assistance. Rack pulls /block pulls, Hammies, hips & glutes, erectors, calves, grip work, traps & abs.
    Rack pulls or block pulls are a deadlift from a higher place, so you have shorter ROM, this works specifically on the lockout part, and also the part that the suit helps you to.
    Trap assistance is there as traps play big part in the deadlift especially locking it out.
    The hammies and glutes and hips are the main muscles used but these are trained on assistance day for squats so we don't need to do them twice. Same goes for calves & abs.
    Erectors can be done with hyper extensions or RDL.


    Using bands for deadlift is not common, although using a band to make the lockout part really hard is quite good. Some prefer reverse bands, either way it will make you fast off the floor, and a strong lockout, witch when in a suit, or even raw is what you need!

    Speed:

    Speed for deadlift is very important. Every deadlift you pull should be fast, very fast, with no slow down motion just drop it under control. Always keeping good form though, this is the key point on any lift, speed WITH excellent form.

    Video of me doing some speed work on deadlifts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQqne7YCFI



    The routine I am use is similar to Westside, I have used it since September 2007 with slight alterations here and there since then. Here it is:

    Monday:
    Heavy bench [4-5 board press at the moment with bands]1-4 reps
    incline db press 4-10 reps
    yates row 4-12 reps
    wide grip pull ups almost until failure
    lat pull down 6-15 reps


    Tuesday:
    Heavy squats [working on speed at the moment with lighter stuff like Andy Bolton]
    Heavy deadlifts [same as squats]
    Heavy leg press [working upto pbs in rep ranges 5-15 using heavy weight and close stance]
    calves 8-20 reps


    Thursday:
    Speed bench
    Db shoulder press 5-12 reps
    side laterals 8-20 reps
    rear laterals 8-20 reps
    Light triceps [cables or similar] 5-20 reps
    Biceps [whateva doesn't really matter] 5-2 reps

    Friday:
    Speed squats [using extra wide boxs at moment]
    Glute ham raises [bw x almost failure using band to aid]
    leg extensions 10-20 reps
    pull throughs 10-20 reps
    calves 10-20 reps
    abs 20 reps

    I do not do speed deadlifts as I can pull 160kg+ just as fast as 60kg, so I just work on speed on heavy days.


    Main points: Always keep form on every lift, don't put weight over form ever. Everything should be explosive on all 3 lifts. Never go to failure on any lift.. it will not build strength.


    Thanks for reading , and hope it has helped Curt
    JFLStrongman and FLuke~ like this.
    Training for the BPC British Championships as a junior 90kg...2009 goal: outlift Jason lol

    Code MP34234 for 5% off your 1st order!! Use it NOW!
  4.  
    #4
    <MP20180>

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Bristol
    Age
    36
    Posts
    3,350
    Good post Curt, I often wondered about some of that stuff.

    One question though, was there any point in having the chains on the bar in the bench with chains video ? it seemed to me that the lift was only a couple of inches therefore there would have only been a couple of links on the floor. I suppose it all helps though.

    I have used chains for squatting and found that very beneficial for the reasons you explained.
  5.  
    #5
    Super Duper Moderator

    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Newmarket/Cambridge
    Age
    25
    Posts
    13,314
    Blog Entries
    17
    Nice post dude, must have taken you months to write that


    MP225 for 5% off your first order made from myprotein.

    My training journal for the BPC British Powerlifting championships isHERE


    Disclaimer: All posts on these forums are for information and discussion purposes only and solely the views of the forum member who posted. No posts constitute or replace medical advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All advice is followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research or doctors advice.

    James Copping is a Super Moderator.
  6.  
    #6
    Bounced

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Coliseum gym B'ham!
    Age
    23
    Posts
    1,558
    Quote Quote
    Originally Posted by James Copping View Post
    Nice post dude, must have taken you months to write that
    Nah about an hour.
    Training for the BPC British Championships as a junior 90kg...2009 goal: outlift Jason lol

    Code MP34234 for 5% off your 1st order!! Use it NOW!
  7.  
    #7
    Freethinking Powermod

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Kent
    Age
    33
    Posts
    9,851
    Quote Quote
    Originally Posted by Luffers View Post
    One question though, was there any point in having the chains on the bar in the bench with chains video ? it seemed to me that the lift was only a couple of inches therefore there would have only been a couple of links on the floor. I suppose it all helps though.
    You cant actually see the floor in the vid, so its difficult to tell, but from the Westside instructional videos i've seen, chains should be set up so that they almost completely deload at the bottom. However, some chain links still need to stay suspended to keep constant tension throughout the movement
    MP Code MP2931 for 5% off first order - and make daddy some money ...

    I dont need to sell my soul, he's already in me
    Stone Roses - "I Wanna Be Adored"

    Disclaimer: All posts on these forums are for information and discussion purposes only and solely the views of the forum member who posted. No posts constitute or replace medical advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All advice is followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research or doctors advice.

    hailtotheking is a Global Moderator.
  8.  
    #8
    Freethinking Powermod

    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Kent
    Age
    33
    Posts
    9,851
    Good post curt. Repped.
    MP Code MP2931 for 5% off first order - and make daddy some money ...

    I dont need to sell my soul, he's already in me
    Stone Roses - "I Wanna Be Adored"

    Disclaimer: All posts on these forums are for information and discussion purposes only and solely the views of the forum member who posted. No posts constitute or replace medical advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All advice is followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research or doctors advice.

    hailtotheking is a Global Moderator.
  9.  
    #9
    MP Administrator

    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    MP HQ
    Posts
    6,466
    Yes great post Curt. We have edited the title slightly, we hope you don't mind. Repped and sticked.

    MP
    Last edited by myprotein.com; 03-08-2008 at 08:21 PM.

    http://www.myprotein.com

    The Home of Sports Nutrition



    Who supports Myprotein?

    For any ordering questions or issues please use our helpdesk.

    Disclaimer: All posts on these forums are for information and discussion purposes only and solely the views of the forum member who posted. No posts constitute or replace medical advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All advice is followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research or doctors advice.
  10.  
    #10
    <MP20180>

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Bristol
    Age
    36
    Posts
    3,350
    I was just thinking today that there hasn't been any stickys for a while, well done Curt you're even more famous now

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Hello new to boards and kinda to training :)
    By Greenie in forum Introductions
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 28-02-2011, 05:04 PM
  2. BB Terminology - Briefly Explained
    By HandyX in forum Introductions
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 16-03-2008, 03:09 PM
  3. The Hang Power Snatch Explained A*
    By Curt in forum Power & Strength
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 27-11-2007, 08:45 PM
  4. We have a new member of MP Staff on the boards!
    By myprotein.com in forum Archived Announcements
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 26-06-2007, 05:51 PM
  5. Since someone knows me from other boards...
    By Syr in forum Introductions
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 24-02-2006, 04:58 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 2