power clean technique.

[Big Lench]

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I think this has been brought about the that strong lifts guy, why is that? how do they sub for the power clean, there is alot of misleading information out here, one arm DB snatch makes sense.

Yeah it's because he knows hardly anything about coaching the lifts.. as well as being a massive douche.

[Waterfield]

Well the last 2 editions of starting strength I'm pretty certain all he teaches is the jump and shrug technique, not sure on the latest one (3rd) I think his teaching method has changed.
He also teaches the first pull is a deadlift, which it's not. He also says "hurr durr, the USA weightlifting team isn't strong enough, no one can deadlift over 600lbs, that's why they placed 35th", "hurr durr, the weightlifting team needs to do low bar squats". If you want to learn like a beginner then by all means go read starting strength, if you want to learn from someone who's coaching some of the best lifters in the USA then go watch those Glenn Pendlay videos I linked you but since you didn't watch them I may aswell quote:

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The last thing is there is, a lot of controversy between power cleans and cleans. They're both great exercises. I prefer to teach the clean first and I think that's the best way to go about it, because by teaching the clean first we virtually eliminate the vast majority of common mistakes that people make when doing the power clean. If you learn how to clean first you can always come back and do the power clean once you have good habits. If you power clean and start going heavy too soon, not having learnt how to clean, you're very like to start pulling with your arms too much and having a long slow second pull instead of a sharp fast second pull and having a bad rack position. All these things when you start doing they're very hard to stop doing, when starting out with the clean we eliminate the vast majority of that and teach good habits from the start. The clean isn't that hard to learn, the vast majority of people can learn it in 10-15minutes at most.

Rippletits routine is fine, it works great, if I were to do a routine like that I'd prefer SS over SL any time of the day, he has decent advice but he's a knob. Character aside, would you rather learn the power lifting bench press from Dave Tate or Rippetoe. What do I know though, I'm just a beginner (read the sig). If there is one piece of crucial advice though, it's to get your consistency with the lifts up not the weight.

Agree with the mirrors and chalk.

[Mart001]

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Well the last 2 editions of starting strength I'm pretty certain all he teaches is the jump and shrug technique, not sure on the latest one (3rd) I think his teaching method has changed.
He also teaches the first pull is a deadlift, which it's not. He also says "hurr durr, the USA weightlifting team isn't strong enough, no one can deadlift over 600lbs, that's why they placed 35th", "hurr durr, the weightlifting team needs to do low bar squats". If you want to learn like a beginner then by all means go read starting strength, if you want to learn from someone who's coaching some of the best lifters in the USA then go watch those Glenn Pendlay videos I linked you but since you didn't watch them I may aswell quote:



Rippletits routine is fine, it works great, if I were to do a routine like that I'd prefer SS over SL any time of the day, he has decent advice but he's a knob. Character aside, would you rather learn the power lifting bench press from Dave Tate or Rippetoe. What do I know though, I'm just a beginner (read the sig). If there is one piece of crucial advice though, it's to get your consistency with the lifts up not the weight.

Agree with the mirrors and chalk.

Funny lol, We'll before you start power lifting in the bench you need some strength, the starting strength model is for a novcie to try and make the most efficient gains in strength, so it would make no sense for a novice to train for example west side (other than a personal preference or limiting factor) becuase the gains are slower and is made for someone lifting so much wieght it forces a weekly or peridozed conjugate progression, Mark doesnt really dispute other methods, only SS method for novices, Mark does cater for westside training for example so I'm sure he coaches power lifters, I'm sure rippletits would train someone in the olympic lifts similar as glenn pendlay, pendlay trained his athletes with Mark at Marks club, this is where the TM method was born (its actually a pendlay program, see sig). I didnt dispute that the clean shouldnt be taught first... I know nothing in this respect just that more weight in the clean doesnt necacerlly mean more power production. I presume the power clean is an easy way to teach someone in general strength for power production.


" He also teaches the first pull is a deadlift, which it's not" have you got a link to this, How is the first pull not a deadlift? hip position?

[Waterfield]

I didn't dispute the program, I'm disputing his teaching of technique.

Weight distribution on feet, shoulder placement, it's not moving the hips its only moving the knees. Hip position varies from what I've seen, Kono says the shoulders should be above the hips and the hips above the knees but from what I've seen from the Chinese their first pull starts with the hips a lot lower than traditionally. Could be talking out of my **** though.

[dope540]

there was an article on tnation a few months back titled renegade oly lifting or something like that. it discussed the lower hip position that the chinese, russian, eastern european teams used compared to the americans.

[Mart001]

right on que

» “Jump/shrug” vs “Catapult”

[Waterfield]

Yup, was going to link that myself, there's a really great debate in the comments section! Still the amount of people complaining on boards about the amount of time they spent learning triple extension then spending around the same amount of time unlearning the bad habits they were in, I don't think it's worth it if you're expecting to be weightlifting for more than a few years.

Saw this the other week if you're interesting in technique / evolution of the clean:

Don McCauley and the Catapult Technique Part 1 - YouTube
"If you triple extend or do any fast lifting with heavy heavy weight that does not add speed to your athlete. As far as calve quickness, you might be much better off push a sled, push a heavy bag or pull a weight. That's going to give them quickness. What olympic lifting does is this: [points to ****] your hips, your glutes run the show in every sport there is." Not saying it's right, just saying what he said.