HGH and recovering from muscle injuries (using L-Glutamine)

[NeilD]

shame there's no L-Glut left on MP site!

[Duncan]

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Local Hgh injections would not cure your problem.

What might help (I speak from experience) is to raise your own levels of Hgh. There are various reasons for this - all covered in past threads.

Basically, if you want to try this route, then:-

1. Go and buy yourself some fizzy vitamin C tablets from a supermarket or local chemist. Make sure the the tablets do not contain sugar or any variant of it.

2. Then buy some l-glutamine from MP.

3. Then, every morning, mix a heaped teaspoon of the glutamine with the fizzing tablet. When the fizzing stops drink the lot down and do not eat for at least half an hour.

4. Make sure you use at least half a pint of water for the tablet. If necessary use two tablets to improve the taste.

5. Keep this up for a couple of weeks at least.

The only side effects from this are all beneficial. You will lose some body-fat for instance. You will feel able to exercise slightly harder possibly. Your skin tone will improve somewhat etc. The effects of raising your own Hgh levels are nothing like injecting Hgh at all.

Would everyone benefit from doing this? I think HGH is a major benefit to following a carbohydrate restricted diet, so I'm quite interested.

[kingcobra]

Yep, I noticed when I took L Glutamine AKG my elbow improved, became smooth and less tender on triceps extensions.
When I stopped it return, what a burk Why did I stop must get some more DOH!
Just got me order too, AAKG, Dextrose, Gaurana, Gluca a stuff!
Damn!

[kingcobra]

Just ordered some L Glutamine.
Be nice to know the science behind it.

[Wotan]

Sorry folks, I missed these posts!!

Anyway, not to worry - full service has now been resumed.

Age?

Quite frankly anyone who leads a relatively normal life and is under 21 needn't bother with this protocol. You are releasing giga-amounts of Hgh anyway!

Over 21 and under 25? This is where the decline begins. If you are exercising heavily, injury prone or attempting to recuperate. Or if you eat a particularly crap diet (loads of simple sugars for instance). Or if you are on shiftwork, drugs, etc then this could easily be of benefit.

Over 25? Seriously consider this protocol.

Over 35? Why are you not doing this?

Pointers.

1. Insulin and Hgh are antagonistic (roughly speaking). So release your Hgh when there is none around! The best way to do this is after sleep but before any food.

2. Hgh doesn't actually do the work. It simply acts as a trigger for the liver to release IGF's 1 through to 6. IGF actually stands for Insulin-like Growth Factor; hence the antagonism with insulin itself.

3. Hgh has a life expectancy in the bloodstream of around twenty minutes or so. Its virtually impossible to measure - so IGF1 gets measured instead and the two correlated together (no IGF1; no Hgh for instance).

4. Once the IGF's are released it is safe to eat, but best leave it for a bit longer maybe to get the full effect. I personally leave it for an hour. If you are primarily interested in weight-loss (and you shouldn't be, its fat loss you're really after of course) then this is the perfect time for that intense cardio, aerobic, weight work.

5. There are various amino acids that will work, including arginine and its metabolite ornithine. I have tried virtually all releasers but glutamine is the least problematic. By a long chalk! Use the others if you wish, but eventually do yourself a favour and instead of re-ordering the same stuff use glutamine instead.

6. Glutamine is a fuel as well. The gut, in particular, uses it preferentially over glucose. It has been used with some success in easing the symptoms of IBS etc.

7. Colostrum doesn't contain Hgh (how can it? Hgh is HUMAN gh!) but it does contain the IGF factors, and these are sufficiently alike in most mammals to work in humans. Colostum also contains other little goodies like lacto-ferrin etc. This is why it works!

8. The body does not stop producing Hgh as we age. What does happen however is that its release becomes impeded. Taking a releaser (also known as a secretogue - which is a pretty horrible word in my view) causes the body to release a surge or "pulse" of it. This is how it occurs naturally anyway, the biggest pulse taking place shortly after starting sleep.

9. This why those of us on shift work (my big problem) die earlier; our bodies do get the necessary hormonal impetus to repair themselves as they should. The same goes for internet addicts that stay up half the night, druggies, alcoholics, sugar-eaters etc.

10. Hgh also has the property of partioning calories in favour of muscle tissue growth rather than adipose (fat) tissue. This is why teenagers (with massively high levels of Hgh) can eat like horse and still stay skinny. Putting it laymans terms Hgh burns fat and tones your muscles.

11. Hgh will also alter your moods somewhat. They become "brighter", things become easier to do, you will spring out bed a bit easier etc.

12. Hgh will also cause your internal organs to grow. There are twice the receptors on your internal organs as there are in your muscles. Body-builders that inject Hgh are generally spotted by having a huge gut ("Hgh bloat"). To avoid this simply cycle the glutamine. Try three weeks on and then one week off. Alter to suit.

13. Because Hgh makes your other glands grow you will find your other hormone secretions also rising. Testosterone goes up by about 5% to 10% for instance. It also stimualtes your immune system massively (because it reverses the shrinkage of your thymus gland that occurs over time and so facilitates the rise in killer T cells, for instance).

14. The whole Hgh release proccess is helped along by a high(ish) protein diet that contains low GI carbs and one rich in vits and mins.

Phew!!

Any more questions folks?


PS. No bitching about typos etc. Its late!!! Some of the info here is given in rough and ready terms - no quoting pubmed etc at me. If you want more technical stuff dont be lazy - use the search function! xxx

[stephens_0n]

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Local Hgh injections would not cure your problem.

What might help (I speak from experience) is to raise your own levels of Hgh. There are various reasons for this - all covered in past threads.

Basically, if you want to try this route, then:-

1. Go and buy yourself some fizzy vitamin C tablets from a supermarket or local chemist. Make sure the the tablets do not contain sugar or any variant of it.

2. Then buy some l-glutamine from MP.

3. Then, every morning, mix a heaped teaspoon of the glutamine with the fizzing tablet. When the fizzing stops drink the lot down and do not eat for at least half an hour.

4. Make sure you use at least half a pint of water for the tablet. If necessary use two tablets to improve the taste.

5. Keep this up for a couple of weeks at least.

The only side effects from this are all beneficial. You will lose some body-fat for instance. You will feel able to exercise slightly harder possibly. Your skin tone will improve somewhat etc. The effects of raising your own Hgh levels are nothing like injecting Hgh at all.

Few questions.... is the vitimin c optional to help the taste or essential?

you say a heaped teaspoon in the morning... how much does this weigh roughly?

plus mp advices 5g 3 times a day... any reason u say only in the morning?

thanks

[Wotan]

Stephens-On

Glutamine's uses are not confined to Hgh release. The dosing strategy that MP suggest is a catch-all one for most situations. Its not much good for Hgh release, this is not a criticism - simply a fact. Hgh is a pretty specific task and so requires a pretty specific tool.

Vitamin C is optional, but the carbonation appears to help (I am guessing that you have not read this thread from the start). It can't do any harm so why not? Vitamin C, of itself plays no part in Hgh release to my knowledge.

This teaspoon you talk about - how big is it?

And how much of a heap are you talking about?

And does it really matter? (The answer to the last one is "no" incidentally, ha ha ha)!!!

[stephens_0n]

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Stephens-On

Glutamine's uses are not confined to Hgh release. The dosing strategy that MP suggest is a catch-all one for most situations. Its not much good for Hgh release, this is not a criticism - simply a fact. Hgh is a pretty specific task and so requires a pretty specific tool.

Vitamin C is optional, but the carbonation appears to help (I am guessing that you have not read this thread from the start). It can't do any harm so why not? Vitamin C, of itself plays no part in Hgh release to my knowledge.

This teaspoon you talk about - how big is it?

And how much of a heap are you talking about?

And does it really matter? (The answer to the last one is "no" incidentally, ha ha ha)!!!

Thanks for the replies... a did read it all but just asked them few questions to get a better picture, thanks.

[Wotan]

One question no-one has asked (WAKE-UP at the back please!!).

What is the difference between Hgh injections and endogenous release. And why does Wotan favour one over the other?

Answer (s).

1. You have to inject it. It breaks down when taken orally (its a protein dummy, geddit!)

2. Even outside the stomach it is horrendously physically fragile and very temperature sensitive. So it requires constant refrigeration and even dropping/shaking the phial breaks the substance down - seriously!

3. It is expensive - at last count (for bona-fide material from European sources) it runs out at about £70 upwards per shot.

4. It is also prescription only. Stallone got busted in Australia for having it.

5. It is also not a good idea to deliberately inject things into yourself if you do not really have to. Injections are messy, time consuming and can be painful.

6. And dangerous.

7. You cannot be sure about the quality of manufactured Hgh. Most of it on the open market now comes from China (even if the label says otherwise). The quality control issues in that country are, er, severe to say the least. Never forget you are injecting this stuff. Best leave it alone.

8. Even the European stuff causes allergic reactions in a significant proportion of users. Do you really want to sensitise yourself to one of your major hormones? Nope, didn't think so.

9. Natural Hgh release is not just a simple "a leads to b" scenario. It involve various negative feedback loops. Putting it simply there are (as already mentioned) at least six known IGF factors and a further four binding proteins that form an entire symphony of responses. Injecting just one, IGF1 (as some people have tried to do to get around the Hgh fragility issues and to bypass the IGF1-6 response levels [ie, up the IGF dose beyond a normal response]) misses the entire point of what Hgh does. It triggers an entire, whole body response - not just one bit.

So for cheapness, ease of use, legality's sake, safety and best overall performance use your own Hgh and not an outside source.

[Wotan]

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Thanks for the replies... a did read it all but just asked them few questions to get a better picture, thanks.

I have just measured one of "my" heaped teaspoons. Nine grams! The research papers noted that as little as two grams will release Hgh, but possibly not in everyone and not under all circumstances. So I use lots in one go just to be sure.

Glutamine is non-toxic. The body makes it itself and it forms a large part of most other meat/dairy protein sources. So there is no problem with it at all.