HGH and recovering from muscle injuries (using L-Glutamine)

**Gareth83** · 22-01-2009 10:50 PM

post work out

following training your muscles will be sensitive to absorbing nutrients anyway so need to 'shuttle' them

**Wotan** · 22-01-2009 11:54 PM

LH and KC

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Originally Posted by Wotan

12. Hgh will also cause your internal organs to grow. There are twice the receptors on your internal organs as there are in your muscles. Body-builders that inject Hgh are generally spotted by having a huge gut ("Hgh bloat"). To avoid this simply cycle the glutamine. Try three weeks on and then one week off. Alter to suit.

Giving yourself a week off every month (or maybe just the weekends) will help keep your physique in proportion.

If you find that you are getting a thick midriff (thick, but not fat) then cut out another week from the regime. Two weeks on and two weeks off.

I must emphasise that as far as fat loss is concerned this is not a quick fix. It helps tremendously with injuries but fat loss takes a bit more time. Having said that six months of the on/off stuff should give you very respectable results.

According to the Rudman Study (New England Journal of Medicine, 1991) a dozen male geriatics (aged variously between mid-sixties and mid-eighties) were given Hgh injections twice a week. They changed nothing else, they ate the same, shuffled along in their slippers just the same and slept the same (getting up every half for a pee I would think).

The results were pretty dramatic. An average of around 13% body fat was lost and an equal amount of muscle (in weight terms) was put on. Their skin thickened dramatically and it was estimated that they had reversed their biological ages variously between 10 and 15 years.

[All this is from instant memory incidentally - so the usual Wotanic caveat here. As well as the usual warning - no nit-picking!!]

As admitted later by the author in the light of new knowledge the protocol was all wrong, the dosage wrong and the general approach pretty poor too. It was all very experimental. Also bear in mind that the subjects were not in the prime of life at all - and so their responses were probably below par too. And that they changed nothing else.

Even given all this the results were medically astounding!

Think how much better you could do nowadays!!

**kingcobra** · 23-01-2009 12:59 AM

Wow that's how Rod Stewart does it!

**J_Walker** · 23-01-2009 05:47 AM

Hi Wotan,

Expanding on this a bit; imagine you had both OAKG and Colostrum and you were to take one in the morning and one before bed, which way round would you do it and why please?

**Wotan** · 23-01-2009 11:36 AM

OAKG in the morning - for all the reasons given in this thread.

Colostrum in the evening because although it contains growth factors it is, principally, still a protein rich, fatty food and I hate going to bed hungry. A good night's kip on a gently full stomach does more for me than the big D did for Arnie!

**kingcobra** · 23-01-2009 02:04 PM

Received my L Glutamine had spoonful with water and aakg was thinking of putting beta alanine with it only because these things are supposed to be taken on an empty stomach.

That's the only time my stomach will be empty

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What do you think Wotan is that messing with the L Glutamine delivery?
Cheers
KC

**Wotan** · 23-01-2009 10:08 PM

The short answer KC is, "possibly" if not "probably".

Amino acids only work in a therapeutic sense when taken in isolation. Unless one is a fairly direct metabolite of the other and both are taken for the same purpose (eg the aforementioned arginine and ornithine) then the chances are you that you are screwing it up.

Don't despair though - just take the glutamine in the morning and fit the others in when you can. An empty stomach here could mean an hour and a half after eating??

Have you thought of getting up at five in the morning and then going back to bed?

PS I wouldn't do it either but some nutcases here have!!!

**kingcobra** · 23-01-2009 11:04 PM

Right OK will do them separate. L Glutamine first thing, then others before 45 mins before training etc....
I'm learning a fair bit here.
Cheers Wotan.

**CosmicFish** · 24-01-2009 03:25 PM

I've started doing this and I've found a simple solution that works for me:

Keep a pint of water, tub of glutamine (or whatever AA) and a spoon by your bed. When you wake up, shovel one heaped spoonful of the AA into your mouth and neck the pint of water. Get up and do all the non-eating things of your morning routine first (shave, shower, prepare food, whatever). 30-45 mins later, eat brekkie and take other supps immediately before leaving for work.